Dr. Robert Schuller interviews Reverend Billy Graham on T.V. Graham says he believes people can be saved without knowing Jesus Christ as Savior. This is the standard line of the New Age Religion, of the Roman Catholic Church, and the Liberal Ecumenical Movement!

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NEWS BRIEF: "Graham Believes Men Can Be Saved Apart From Name Of Christ", by Robert E. Kofahl, Ph.D., television interview of Billy Graham by Robert Schuller, on May 31, 1997. The following segment is an exact transcript of an excerpt close to the end of the broadcast. Reported by The Christian News, October 20, 1997, page 15.

"SCHULLER: Tell me, what do you think is the future of Christianity?

GRAHAM: Well, Christianity and being a true believer -- you know, I think there's the Body of Christ. This comes from all the Christian groups around the world, outside the Christian groups. I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the Body of Christ ... I think James answered that, the Apostle James in the first council in Jerusalem, when he said that God's purpose for this age is to call out a people for His name. And that's what God is doing today, He's calling people out of the world for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world, or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ, because they've been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus, but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don't have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think they are saved, and that they're going to be with us in heaven."

"SCHULLER: What, what I hear you saying, that it's possible for Jesus Christ to come into human hearts and soul and life, even if they've been born in darkness and have never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you're saying?

GRAHAM: Yes, it is, because I believe that. I've met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations, that they have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, and never heard of Jesus, but they've believed in their hearts that there was a God, and they've tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived."

"SCHULLER: [R.S. trips over his tongue for a moment, his face beaming, then says] I'm so thrilled to hear you say this. There's a wideness in God's mercy.

GRAHAM: There is. There definitely is."

This is the end of the pertinent segment from the May 31, 1997, TV interview. Before we go on to the pertinent segment of the June 8, 1997, segment, let us pause to review some of the terrible events we have just heard Reverend Graham say. We will requote segments of Graham's statements, and then look to see what the Bible has to say.

Dr. Graham: " I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the Body of Christ"

The Apostle Paul provides the most definitive refutation to this false statement by Dr. Graham. " For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent?" [Romans 10:13-15]

When Paul says that "whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved", he is correctly implying that a person cannot be saved apart from the name and Person of Jesus Christ. This is why the Christian Church has placed such an emphasis on sending missionaries to foreign lands where the Gospel has not been heard. The Apostle Paul then continues to elaborate on this terrible truth. "How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent?"

When Dr. Graham asserts that people can be saved even though they know not the Lord Jesus Christ as their Savior, he is repeating the lie -- the false doctrine of the New Age Religion -- and of the Roman Catholic Church, as well as of Liberal "Christians" like Dr. Schuller. This statement is quite a departure from traditional Southern Baptist teaching; but, it does fit in nicely with today's burgeoning Ecumenical theology, as they state that there are many roads to Heaven, and it does not really matter what you believe as long as you are "sincere".


Of course, this Apostate Doctrine is easily and definitively refuted by none other than Jesus Christ Himself. Listen carefully to His Words: "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." [John 14:6]

Then, Jesus stated this Truth yet another way. "Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture." [John 10:7-9] Please notice the several critically important points Jesus made in these verses: 1) He reiterated that He was the door of the sheep. He alone was the door, the path to eternal life. 2) Jesus stated boldly that every one who came before him as the spiritual door to eternal life was a thief and a robber! What are these false spiritual leaders stealing? They are stealing precious eternal souls, for whom Jesus Christ died!! Jesus fully intended this principle to extend to those false religious leaders who would come after Him, as this is an eternal principle: Jesus alone is the narrow door to eternal life. 3) Jesus reiterated, "I am the door", which correctly implies that all other "doors" are dead ends that can never lead to eternal life.

Let us approach this subject in another direction. What does the Bible have to say about someone who defames the precious atonement of Jesus Christ? Believe me, Dr. Graham is defaming the blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ by his statements, above! Listen to what the Holy Spirit says in these passages, following: 1) "He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite [contempt] unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people." [Hebrews 10:28-30]

These are sobering words, indeed, for Dr. Graham has "trodden under foot the Son of God", and he has definitely "counted the blood of the covenant an unholy thing", and he has definitely "done despite [contempt]" against the Holy Spirit of Grace! Finally, notice God's Judgment pronounced against anyone who commits this type of sin!!

2) When we back up in Hebrews 10, to verse 26, we see why God's Judgment is so severe against anyone and everyone who dares teach that someone could be saved without accepting the blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ. "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries." [Hebrews 10:26-27] When we consider the Truth of the statement that "there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins" we are again confronted by the inescapable Truth that Jesus is the only Way to the Father in Heaven for eternity. When Dr. Graham is teaching that people can be saved without accepting the blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ, he is condemning them to the Broad Path, which cannot save them. He is condemning them to a religion that will doom them ["there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins"].

3) "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them." [2 Peter 2:20-21] Sadly, Dr. Graham appears to have turned from the knowledge of the Narrow Path of Jesus Christ to the Broad Path of the deceived, and is now using the considerable influence of his office to teach the damnable lie of the Ecumenical Movement.

4) "But the person who does anything wrong, willfully and openly ... that one reproaches, reviles, and blasphemes the Lord, and that person shall be cut off [killed] from among his people ... because he has despised and rejected the word of the Lord, and has broken his commandment, that person shall be utterly cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him." [Numbers 15:30-31; Parallel Bible, KJV/Amplified Bible Commentary]

This incredible Scripture shows that God --in the Old Testament -- took a very dim view of anyone who committed the sin of "rejecting the word of the Lord" and "breaking His commandment". This is the sin of Dr. Graham, and it is critically serious to the future of his own soul! Many people will follow Dr. Graham in this belief that a person can be saved apart from accepting the blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ, and will spend eternity Hell because of it. But, in the more immediate time frame, many people will be able to accept the New World Order Religion, its False Prophet, and even Antichrist, because they have believed this lie.

5) "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." [Acts 4:12] This bold statement should cause anyone to understand that Dr. Graham is absolutely, completely false in his assertion that a person can be saved apart from the name, and the blood sacrifice that is an essential part, of Jesus Christ.

Now, let us look at the true Ecumenical nature of this position as espoused here by Graham. Remember, the purpose of the Ecumenical Movement is to unify all the religions of the world so they can establish a One-World Religion, the religion of the coming New World Order. Since the New World Order is, by New Age definition, the Kingdom of The New Age Christ, who is supposed to be called by the name, Maitreya, this new global religion will be the religion of the Antichrist and his False Prophet. Thus, the stakes are enormously high, for the world generally and for your soul specifically. Let us examine again the next part of Graham's statement, above.


"... God's purpose for this age is to call out a people for His name. And that's what God is doing today, He's calling people out of the world for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world, or the non-believing world ..."

Did you notice that this statement subtly shifts the focus of Graham's statement from Jesus Christ to God? "God's purpose", "He's" calling people out of the world for "His name". Thus, the emphasis is on God here, not Jesus Christ.

This is standard Freemasonry!! Listen to the preface to a Freemason Bible: "Thus, by the very honor which Masonry pays to the Bible, it teaches us to revere every book of faith in which men find help for to-day and hope for the morrow, joining hands with the man of Islam as he takes oath on the Koran, and with the Hindu as he makes covenant with God upon the book that he loves best. For Masonry knows what so many forget, that religions are many, but Religion is one ... Therefore, it [Masonry] invites to its altar men of all faiths, knowing that, if they use different names for the 'Nameless One of a hundred names', they are yet praying to the one God and Father of all; knowing, also, that while they read different volumes, they are, in fact, reading the same vast Book ..." [The Holy Bible; The Great Light In Masonry, Masonic Edition, A.J. Holman Co., Philadelphia, 1924, page 4; Emphasis mine].

In Masonry, great emphasis is placed upon God the Father! But, there is scant reference to Jesus Christ. Thus, the "Christian" leader who is Freemason has a definite dilemma on his hands, as he must find his Freemason path through a religion -- Christianity -- where all glory is given to Jesus Christ in God's Holy Bible.

This focus on God is also suspiciously like Freemasonry teaching that Creator God is the one to be worshipped, and that Jesus Christ is simply a created being by another lesser god, Ialdabaoath. Jesus Christ is then said to be "One with God the Father", when the God the Father of which they are speaking is Ialdabaoath! [Albert Pike, "Morals And Dogma of the Ancient And Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry", Chapter 26, or the 26th Degree, "Prince Of Mercy, or Scottish Trinitarian", pages 562-3].


Jesus Christ, THE ONLY name under Heaven whereby we must be saved. Jesus Christ, to Whom all glory, and honor, and power is given, under Heaven! Dr. Graham's statements, above, are very slick, in that they say that the emphasis is on God calling out a people for His name. Then, he follows this statement up by saying that anyone who sincerely is seeking God, no matter what his religion might be, is "redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ".

Thus, Dr. Graham is very subtly saying that the primary issue at work today is that God is calling forth a people for His Name. Please take note of several important aspects of this issue:

1) Notice that the Bible teaches that God has elevated Jesus Christ to preeminent rank, and that He has given Jesus all authority in Heaven and on Earth. [Isaiah 53:12; Matthew 28:18; John 17:1-3]

2) Notice that all peoples will ultimately bow their knees to confess Jesus as Lord. [Phillipians 2:10-11]. If anyone is calling out a people for His name, it should be God through Jesus Christ. It will not be God alone, acting apart from Jesus Christ. [Phillipians 2:11]

Thus, Dr. Graham is very cleverly teaching the God-only Freemason doctrine here. We encourage you to read NEWS1082, where we reported that Dr. Graham was listed as a "Famous Mason" by the Louisiana Masonic Family. These statements add further credibility that Graham may secretly be a Freemason.

Now, let us examine further statements by Dr. Graham to Dr. Schuller, in another TV interview, on June 8, 1997.

"SCHULLER: "You knew Fulton Sheen. You knew these men. Your comments on both of these men [Fulton Sheen and Norman Vincent Peale].

GRAHAM: The primary way of communicating is to live the life, let people see that you're living what you proclaim [comments on his friendship with Fulton Sheen]. I lost a very dear friend, and since that time, the whole relationship between me and my work, and you and your work, and the Roman Catholic Church has changed. They open their arms to welcome us and we have the support of the Catholic Church almost everywhere we go. And I think that we must come to the place where we keep our eyes on Jesus Christ, not on what denomination or what church or what group we belong to."

Wow, this is quite the statement, as Graham brags about his full acceptance by the Roman Catholic Church. At this point, we recommend you go to NEWS1052, "Seminar Notes of the New England Director of the House of Theosophy, 8/18/91". In this seminar, the Director stated that the decision has just been made to place the Roman Catholic Pope at the head of the coming New World Order Religion! This decision identifies the Roman Catholic Pope as the Biblical False Prophet, whose only mission is to serve Antichrist! Thus, Dr. Graham is bragging about being accepted by the future False Prophet!! This statement is heavy, indeed!

Further, Graham's bragging about his working relationship with the Pope also places Graham at the point we have feared all along, that of his working on behalf of the Antichrist when he arises. You see, the New World Order Plan calls for religious leaders from all over the world to take some very specific steps immediately after Antichrist arises. Religious leaders from all over the world, from every segment of religion, are to step forward to urge their followers to accept and follow this New Age Messiah, supposedly to be called, Maitreya. Certainly, some Christian leaders will step forward to urge acceptance of this Christ [Antichrist]. Will Dr. Graham be one of them? We fear he might, especially since he has been steadily moving Leftward for the past 4 decades [See our NEWS1082, "Reverend Billy Graham Is Reported To Be A Freemason. Report On Past Errors And Ramifications -- BGEA Denial Included".]

These kinds of statements from Reverend Graham are so anti-Biblical, so anti-Christian, and so pro-Freemason, we are worried even more. These statements simply serve the cause of the New World Order, of uniting all the world's religions, that we can only wonder why he is making them. Graham is certainly a trained seminarian, so he cannot be making these statements accidentally, or by mistake. He is very carefully choosing his words, and walking a fine line between Truth and False, but very cleverly just inside the False line.


Let us now examine the statement by Dr. Schuller again. "I'm so thrilled to hear you say this. There's a wideness in God's mercy.

GRAHAM: There is. There definitely is."

There is a "wideness" in God's Mercy, says Dr. Schuller, to which Graham responds in the affirmative. This choice of words is also very, very interesting. It reveals the true anti-Christian basis of Graham's statement. Dr. Graham is stating that he is advocating a wideness in the path to Heaven, to eternal life. One can believe anything they want to believe, from the Hindu, to the Buddhist, to the non-Christian, and still go to Heaven as long as they are sincere [Reread Graham's statement, above]! Graham is advocating the existence of such a wide road to Heaven that anyone can believe anything, and still be considered part of the Body of Jesus Christ and on their way to Heaven!


Does Jesus Christ mention such a Broad Road being advocated? Of course, He does, and guess what? That Broad Road does not lead to Heaven, according to Jesus Christ! Listen:

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:" [Matthew 7:13] Dear friend, please, oh please, notice what Jesus is saying. He is warning that the " broad way" leads to "destruction" which is Hell! On this Broad Road, people can believe anything they want to believe, and they will go to Heaven, supposedly. But, on the Day of Judgment, they will discover to their horror that this "Broad Road" led to eternal punishment in Hell, rather than eternal life in Heaven. Their response is predicted by Jesus in Matthew 7:21-23, just a few short verses after this warning not to accept the Broad Road. Listen to Jesus' account of the people who wake up on Judgment Day, and horrified to realize they are going to Hell.

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." [Matthew 7:21-23]

We have learned, in Hebrews 10:28-30, that one of the greatest sins a person can commit is to "trample underfoot" the blessed blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ. No person can be saved by any other means, so when you reject that blood sacrifice, you are doomed. This teaching which Dr. Graham is espousing does exactly that, it tramples underfoot the blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ; and, this teaching seeks to replace it with the Broad Way.

Now, listen to Jesus describe the True Way.

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." [Matthew 7:14] In this Narrow Way, Jesus Christ and His Blood Sacrifice is the only way that anyone can enter Heaven. He is the only Savior, the only Messiah, and the only way in which a person can ever go to the Father. This is a very hard spiritual road, one in which a person can believe only certain things, and must obey the commandments of Jesus Christ. They cannot believe anything, do anything, and still get to Heaven. This Narrow Road is so difficult that, in any generation, very few people will find it, and fewer still will stay on it.

This terrible apostasy, of which Graham has just advocated, is one of the signs of the End of the Age. Jesus said that, when we see all the signs of the End of the Age occurring, taken together, we would know that His Second Coming was "near, at the very doors". Since the most important sign was to be the return of Israel back to her land (which occurred in 1948), we know most definitely that the Lord's Return is imminent. This type of apostasy is simply one more indication that the End of the Age is very near, and event which will be preceded by the staged appearance of Antichrist.

Are you spiritually ready? Is your family? Are you adequately protecting your loved ones? This is the reason for this ministry, to enable you to first understand the peril facing you, and then help you develop strategies to warn and protect your loved ones. Once you have been thoroughly trained, you can also use your knowledge as a means to open the door of discussion with an unsaved person. I have been able to use it many times, and have seen people come to Jesus Christ as a result. These perilous times are also a time when we can reach many souls for Jesus Christ, making an eternal difference.

If you have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, but have been very lukewarm in your spiritual walk with Him, you need to immediately ask Him for forgiveness and for renewal. He will instantly forgive you, and fill your heart with the joy of the Holy Spirit. Then, you need to begin a daily walk of prayer and personal Bible Study.

If you have never accepted Jesus Christ as Savior, but have come to realize His reality and the approaching End of the Age, and want to accept His FREE Gift of Eternal Life, you can also do so now, in the privacy of your home. Once you accept Him as Savior, you are spiritually Born Again, and are as assured of Heaven as if you were already there. Then, you can rest assured that the Kingdom of Antichrist will not touch you spiritually.If you would like to become Born Again, turn to our Salvation Page now.

We hope you have been blessed by this ministry, which seeks to educate and warn people, so that they can see the coming New World Order -- Kingdom of Antichrist -- in their daily news.

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