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Subtitle:  During a recent Word Of Life prophecy conference, I was able to talk directly with Dr. Timothy Ice, who presented the position on the Rapture of the Church.  In asking him questions on several key issues about which I had always had difficulty, he admitted the Scriptures did not teach what he was teaching!  His teaching was his own "interpretation". This admission places much of the standard prophecy teaching into severe disrepute.  Cutting Edge teachings on certain issues is validated.

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NEWS BRIEF:  Discussion with Dr. Timothy Ice, Founder of Pre-Tribulation Ministries , at the Word of Life New Millennium Prophecy Conference, Tremont Baptist Temple, Boston, Massachusetts, on October 8-9, 1999.

Since I had not attended a standard Biblical prophecy seminar for some years, I decided to go with my pastor to the conference noted above, Friday night, 10/8, and all day Saturday, 10/9.  This conference boasted some well-known prophecy speakers in the country.  The topics were standard, and would be presented by different teams of speakers in the various cities throughout the country.  The list of speakers was impressive:

Paige Patterson     Edwin Lutzer     John Walvoord     Charles Wagner     David Bouler     Mark Bailey   Joe Jordan

Harry Bollback     Jerry Falwell      Jimmy DeYoung    Joe Stowell           Renald Showers Charles Ryrie Tommy Ice

Charles Dyer        John DeBrine     George Theis         Tom Davis

On Friday night, Dr. Timothy Ice was one of the speakers, presenting the standard view of the Rapture of the Church.  Typically, he presented the view that the Church of Jesus Christ would be raptured before the 7-year Tribulation begins, a viewpoint I share enthusiastically. 

In the decade of seriously researching the occult New World Order Plan to produce Antichrist and his kingdom, I was repeatedly shocked at the precise way in which their Plans fulfill Bible prophecy and Scripture.  But, in several areas, the New World Order Plan seemed slightly different than traditional Bible prophecy teaching.  I was puzzled; since the Plan so perfectly paralleled Bible prophecy in so many areas, why would it differ in these few instances?

I have always had several questions about this matter, plus questions on a couple of other prophecy passages, and I had always wanted to ask these questions of someone who was a qualified Bible scholar.  Since I could not find Dr. Ice after his presentation Friday night, I determined to try to catch him during a break on Saturday.

At the 11:00 A.M. hour, I approached Dr. Ice, who was sitting at the head of the stairs on the second floor.  I introduced myself and asked him if I could ask him several questions.  Receiving his assent, I began.

Question #1 -- "Dr. Ice, you teach that the Church will be Raptured before the Antichrist is revealed, basing this teaching on 2 Thessalonians 2, where you correctly say that the Restrainer is the Holy Spirit.  However, you teach that, because the Holy Spirit indwells each believer during the Church Age, this passage means that, when the Restrainer is taken out of the way, the Rapture of the Church will occur." 

Dr. Ice replied, "Yes, that is true".  "But Dr. Ice", I protested, "the Scripture does not say that."  Dr. Ice calmly agreed that the Scripture did not say that the Rapture of the Church would occur when, or because, the Restrainer is taken out of the way.  "But", he said, "that is my interpretation."  I was shocked because other Word of Life prophecy speakers had quoted the Apostle Peter, saying, "... no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." [2 Peter 1:20] 

Jimmy DeYoung even went so far as to say that all prophecy has to "fit together tightly like a hand in a glove".  Yet, Dr. Ice had just admitted that this major teaching was not directly stated in Scripture, but was only his interpretation.  Well, I can tell you that almost every major teacher of prophecy in the world today teaches that this passage means the Church Rapture will occur when the Restrainer is removed.  Therefore, such teachers say, we who will be Raptured will not ever have to worry about seeing Antichrist, or worry about all the wars and terrible tragedies of the Tribulation Period.

Yet, Dr. Ice had just admitted the Scripture does not actually teach this -- it is his interpretation.

Question #2 -- "Dr. Ice, you teach that the prophecy of the 10 Toes of Daniel 2 was fulfilled by the creation of Western Europe, which was originally created with 10 nations."  Dr. Ice replied in the affirmative.  "But", I protested, "this teaching violates the clear context of the passage.  In this passage, the 10 toes are the final stage of the Fourth Gentile Kingdom, which we know is the original Roman Empire.  Each of these four Gentile Kingdoms controlled the whole known world; therefore, the 10 toes at the End of the Age must represent control over the whole known world.  Western Europe cannot represent the fulfillment of this prophecy because it does not control the whole known world."

Dr. Ice replied, "I admit that there is some weakness in this teaching, but it is my interpretation that Western Europe is the fulfillment of this passage".

Question #3 -- "Dr. Ice, are you aware that a global plan to reorganize the world into 10 super nations has been created and has been set in place?"  Dr. Ice replied that, "yes", he was aware that this global plan had been created and successfully carried out.  Obviously, this global plan would fit the global context of Daniel 2:31-44.  Yet, Dr. Ice continues to hold to the false teaching that little, tiny Western Europe is the fulfillment of this passage!

Question #4 -- "Dr. Ice, what is the key event that begins the 7-Year Tribulation Period"?  Dr. Ice replied that the key event will be when Antichrist "confirms the covenant" with Israel.  I agree wholeheartedly. The appearance of Antichrist is NOT the event that begins the 7-Year Tribulation; "confirming the covenant" is that event.

Then I asked Dr. Ice how long it would take Antichrist to convince the Jewish religious leadership that he is their Messiah so they would allow him to "confirm the covenant".  Dr. Ice said two really shocking things:

First, he said that the Jews would not have to recognize him as their Messiah before they would allow him to confirm their covenant!  I scratched my head at this teaching, because the entire purpose of the Antichrist walking into the Holy of Holies of the Rebuilt Temple at the mid-point of the Tribulation to defile it, is to make the Jews realize he is not their true Messiah!  This implies that the Jews accepted him as their Messiah prior to him defiling the Holy of Holies.

Even Jesus stated that the Jews would believe Antichrist to be their Messiah, accepting him as such.  Listen:  "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." [John 5:43]  If Jesus said that the Jewish people are going to be deceived into thinking Antichrist is their True Messiah, then why do standard prophecy teachers today disbelieve it?

Second, Dr. Ice said that he thought it possible Antichrist could arise and go immediately to the podium to announce he is "confirming the covenant" even though the Jewish people had not yet thought of him as their Messiah!  Again, I am mightily perplexed.  Jewish thought today is that only Messiah can rebuild the Temple and only Messiah can lead them into Utopia.  They simply would not allow a person to arise, confirm the covenant, and rebuild the Temple unless he were first accepted as the Jewish Messiah.  Dr. Ice's position is simply ludicrous.

New World Order planners have carefully studied Scripture and contemporary Jewish thinking and have concluded that their New Age Christ must appear east of Jerusalem, dressed as the Jews expect their Messiah to be dressed, and claim that he is their Messiah.  The simple fact of the matter is that, once Antichrist verbalizes this claim to be Messiah, the Jewish people and religious leadership will have to make a decision.  They will either have to accept him immediately, reject him immediately, or wait to see if he fulfills Messianic prophecy and expectations.  New World Order planners expect the latter scenario to develop, so they plan on Antichrist beginning to deliberately stage fulfillment of all prophecies and expectations.

To say the least, my confidence in the totality of standard prophecy teaching was badly shaken.  I had discovered that, despite their knowledge of the incompatibility of their teaching on these issues with Scripture, they were continuing to teach these "private interpretations" of prophecy to their trusting, unsuspecting listeners.


You see, The Cutting Edge Ministry has studied the issue of Bible prophecy from a unique angle.  We have taken our detailed knowledge of Biblical prophecy and have thoroughly researched the occult side of the coming Kingdom of Antichrist.  We were shocked originally to discover that occult writings almost perfectly parallel Bible prophecy.  Obviously, the portions of their Plan that do not conform to Bible prophecy can be discounted.  However, the bulk of the New World Order Plan does conform to Bible prophecy.

However, our knowledge of occult writings has given us a slightly different viewpoint on some specific issues than the Traditional Prophecy Teaching. Occult teaching presents a slightly different scenario in a few areas. Let us quickly consider these differences.

Difference #1 -- Occult Leaders Are Aware of the coming Rapture of the Church, but place this event after the appearance of the Antichrist [See NEWS1052, "Seminar Notes of the House of Theosophy"]. The demonic Guiding Spirits of key human New World Order leaders have explained that, when Antichrist arises, there will be many people whose values and attitudes are so deeply ingrained that they could never be "proper receptors to The Christ".  Therefore, to keep the vast numbers of these "negative" people from impeding the work of The Christ, the Masters of the Logos has decided to "snap them into another dimension", where their souls will be retrained. Once these souls enter back into the Reincarnation Cycle, they will understand the value of the New World Order.

This is the Rapture of Jesus' True Church!  The Satanic New World Order leaders, and their followers, are anticipating this great event, although they have been conditioned to ascribe this event to supernatural forces other than to Jesus Christ.  However, these demonic spirits are telling their people that the Rapture of the Christian Church will occur AFTER the appearance of their Antichrist!  How can this difference between these supernatural demonic spirits and traditional Bible prophecy teachers be reconciled?  I know that Satan and his demons are liars and cannot be trusted; however, they have created a Plan to produce their Antichrist that so precisely parallels Bible prophecy we have to ask why it apparently does not do so in this most important instance.

Dr. Ice has just reconciled it for us by stating that  his teaching that the Rapture of the Church occurring before Antichrist arises is an interpretation not specifically stated in the passage in 2 Thessalonians 2.  If the Church is not Raptured when the Restrainer is "taken out of the way", then we could see the appearance of Antichrist, and be Raptured sometime before he "confirms the covenant".

Difference #2 -- The part of the New World Order Plan that has reorganized the entire world into 10 super nations is the fulfillment of the prophecy in Daniel 2:31-41.  As Dr. Ice admitted, the interpretation that little tiny Western Europe is the fulfillment of the 10 Toes prophecy is "weak" because it violates the global context of the Four Gentile Kingdoms.  I will grant you that Western Europe is the Revived Roman Empire of Daniel 9:27.  The European Community does fulfill Daniel 9:27, and from within its borders Antichrist will come. Western Europe is Nation #2 of the global 10-Nation Reorganization Plan.

Once again, the occult Guiding Spirits writing the New World Order Plan created their plan in a way that fulfilled Bible prophecy, apparently differing only in the size of the 10-Nation reorganization.  However, we have just learned from Dr. Ice that the standard prophecy teaching that the 10 Toes of Daniel 2 is represented only by little tiny Europe is his "interpretation".   It is the standard prophecy teaching that is admittedly wrong.

Difference #3 -- Illuminist planners can see the need to have Antichrist deliberately "fulfill" all Messianic prophecies and expectations, so Jewish leaders will be convinced that Antichrist is their Messiah for whom they have been long awaiting.  Illuminists understand that Orthodox Jews, especially, will not be convinced by mere "signs and wonders", but will be looking to see if he fulfills these prophecies.  Dr. Ice's assertion that Jews will accept any man as their Messiah without seeing incredible "signs and wonders" is ludicrous.  What did the Apostle Paul state?  "For the Jews require a sign ..." [1 Cor 1:22]

Difference #4 -- Illuminist leaders are planning a huge series of wars, natural disasters, terrorism, economic collapse, and certain "supernatural" events before Antichrist arises, so that people will readily accept him when he does arise, promising "Peace and Safety" throughout the world.  This planned series of disasters before Antichrist arises is totally missed by traditional prophecy teachers when they present their Timeline of Events.  Yet, the Bible teaches that the appearance of Antichrist will be preceded by all these types of disasters.  In Matthew 24, Jesus likens the birth of both the False Messiah and the True Messiah to a birthing process.  In all births, the most severe, and persistent, pains are just before the baby is born.  Likewise, we can expect all the signs in Matthew 24, to be the most severe just before both "babies" are born, i.e., Antichrist and Jesus Christ.

But, traditional Bible prophecy teachers ignore this tremendously important, and devastating, part of the Timetable.

The practical effect of this deliberate error of Bible prophecy is enormous.  Most Christians today have been lulled to spiritual sleep because they have been told they will never see Antichrist; further, they have been told they will definitely never see the devastating wars, natural events, pestilences, and other signs given in Matthew 24.  In other words, Christians of today have been told by these prophecy teachers that they have the "Peace and Safety" of the Rapture that will magically take them away from this terrible time.

Let me categorically state that The Cutting Edge Ministry holds strongly to the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church.  In this respect, we agree with Standard Prophecy teaching.  However, in examining the Satanic New World Order Plan to produce Antichrist, we see devastating wars, terror, and economic collapse preceding the appearance of Antichrist.  In fact, we can categorically state that these disasters are considered by New World Order planners as essential for their Antichrist to be successfully staged. 

BEFORE the appearance of Antichrist is staged, we will see these disasters and terrors. 

Then, we see a period of time between the appearance of Antichrist and the time he is allowed to "confirm their covenant".  During this period of time, the world might see the destruction of three of the original ten super nations!

At this point, you might be asking how we can reconcile these two beliefs: how can we both witness Antichrist arise and still believe in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture?  To understand this seeming dilemma, you have to ask yourself, "What one event begins the 7-Year Tribulation Period?"  I asked that question of Dr. Ice, and he correctly stated that this 7-year period will begin the moment Antichrist "confirms the covenant" with Israel, as Daniel 9:27 foretells.  However, Dr. Ice incorrectly refuses to see any period of time between the appearance of Antichrist and the time he "confirms the covenant". 

We feel the need, at this point, to reiterate what we said on this subject earlier in this article.

Dr. Ice said Antichrist could confirm the covenant with Israel's leaders the day after he arises! When I stated that such a short time period would not give him the time to convince the Orthodox Jews that he is their Messiah, Dr. Ice said he believed it possible Antichrist could confirm this covenant without the Jews believing he is their Messiah!  Dr. Ice apparently believes that the Jews will not think Antichrist to be their Messiah until the mid-point of the Tribulation, when he desecrates the Holy of Holies.  My Bible tells me that this is THE event that demonstrates to the Jews that Antichrist cannot be their Messiah, since God would never desecrate His own Holy of Holies in that manner.  Since the purpose of this "Abomination of Desolation" is to show the Jews that Antichrist cannot be their Messiah, one can only infer that they must have thought him to be so before he committed the desolation.

Further, Jesus Christ personally announced that the Jews would accept Antichrist as their Messiah.  Listen: "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." [John 5:43]  Thus, we know for certain that the Jews will wholeheartedly accept Antichrist as their Messiah, only to discover that he is the False Messiah when he desecrates the Holy of Holies.

Illuminist authors have searched the Old Testament Messianic prophecies and extra-Biblical Messianic expectations and have concluded that Antichrist must deliberately "fulfill" all the Jewish prophecies and expectations for Messiah.  Listen to Peter Lemesurier in The Armageddon Script:

"Christ or 'Antichrist', however, the new leader must have the courage to step forward and play out his role to the full if the great prophetic plan is to go forward.  And his task will require considerable attention to detail.  It is axiomatic, for a start, that he must already be in Jerusalem, and preferably in residence on the Mount of Olives, before the expected earthquake ... the new world-leader must prepare himself for his role.  He must study the scriptures and the Dead Sea Scrolls, immerse himself in current Jewish messianic expectations, thoroughly survey the general locality and familiarize himself with all the major prophecies ... In short, he must create in his own mind a crystal-clear idea of the vision which he has to fulfill." [p. 232-3]

Illuminist planners have carefully researched Jewish expectations and have concluded that Orthodox Jews will not accept Antichrist without watching first to see if he will fulfill all Messianic prophecies and expectations.  Therefore, Antichrist will deliberately act to "fulfill" all those expectations. 

And, we find this Illuminist plan to fully conform to Biblical prophecy.  Remember Jesus' comments that the Jews are always looking for a sign [Matthew 12:38; 16:1; Mark 8:11; Luke 11:29]?  The Apostle Paul expressed the Jew's obsession with signs when he said, "For the Jews require a sign ..." [1 Cor 1:22]  When Jesus lamented that the Jews would accept Antichrist even though he did not come in the name of the true Father, He predicted that they would, nevertheless, accept him [John 5:43].

Believe me, the Jews will require Antichrist to jump through hoops to fulfill all the Messianic prophecies and expectations. As Peter Lemesurier unequivocally states, "What is important, after all, is that the prophecies should be fulfilled, not necessarily how." [P. 235]

Before the Antichrist can "confirm the covenant", he must convince the Jews he is their Messiah by "fulfilling" all Jewish Messianic prophecies and expectations.  This process will naturally take some months.  Remember that, until Antichrist is allowed to "confirm the covenant", the 7-Year Tribulation has not started.

We do not have the time nor the space here to fully develop this line of inquiry, but we have produced another seminar on this subject.  We have assigned a title to this new seminar, "Seminar 3:  Knowing The Time of Thy Visitation"; we deal with this specific issue on traditional prophecy teaching in a 1 1/2 hour segment entitled, "Mystery Solved: The Case of the Missing Piece of the Traditional Prophetic Timeline". You can go to www.cuttingedege.org and then click on the left-hand button entitled "Tapes and Seminars".  You will find that this segment will examine the Illuminist Plan, compare it with Scripture, and then write a Timeline that is both real and frightening. 

Christians have been deceived by traditional prophecy seminars into believing they will be Raptured out of here before Antichrist appears and certainly before any really bad stuff happens. We think this is most definitely NOT the case.

We see an Illuminist Plan to so panic the people with 2 1/2 wars, terrorism, natural disasters, and financial collapse they will accept Antichrist when he arises claiming to be God Himself.  Truly, as Jesus said, "Men's hearts will fail them for fear" [Luke 21:26]  The war that will start this process will be the planned Arab-Israeli war, the Third World War of Albert Pike [See NEWS1015, "Albert Pike's Vision As To How To Achieve New World Order].  We may see conflict between America and Russia, between America and China, and the destruction of Russia as she attacks Israel, all before the Antichrist "confirms the covenant" to begin the 7-Year Tribulation.  Certainly, we believe it highly possible that the three super nations destroyed as foretold in Daniel 7:7-8 might occur before Antichrist "confirms the covenant", thus beginning the 7-year Tribulation.  Since we believe America might be one of those 3 super nations destroyed, America might be annihilated before the 7-year Tribulation begins.

Once again, I found Dr. Ice presenting a position not supported by Scripture.  During our conversation, he said that Antichrist was going to "militarily subdue" three of the original 10 nations, not necessarily annihilating them.  Yet, the Scripture is plain.  Listen:  "I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots:" [Daniel 7:8]  When you pluck up a plant by the roots, you have totally, irretrievably destroyed that plant.  You cannot ignore the plain teaching of Daniel 7:8, as Dr. Ice does.

We know this specific scenario does not conform to the Traditional Prophetic teaching, but the Illuminists have it all planned.  Unless God stops this insane scenario, it will occur.  Further, we see all this destruction occurring shortly before, and right after, Antichrist arises.  As we learned from Dr. Timothy Ice, the traditional prophecy teachers know they do not have the scenario entirely correct, and we believe this is the big omission in their timeline.

Going back to the thrust of Matthew 24 --  Two Messiahs are to be born:  False Messiah [Antichrist] and the True Messiah [Jesus Christ].  Listen to Jesus' Words:  "All this is but the beginning [the early pains] of the birth pains ..." [Parallel Bible, KJV/Amplified; the word, "sorrows" in KJV is Strong's G5604, "odin", specifically the pain of childbirth]

The most severe pains of childbirth occur just before the child is born.  Further, they are of the same type of birth pangs originally felt by the mother at the beginning of contractions, but immensely more powerful, more intense, and more painful. Thus, we should expect to see the most severe painful repetitions of the "pains of childbirth" Jesus mentioned in Matthew 24, just intensified greatly.

Once again, the New World Order Plan to produce Antichrist is perfectly consistent with this Scriptural view.  To finally "give birth" to the False Messiah, all of the signs of which Jesus spoke in Matthew 24 are going to be occurring simultaneously just before he arises!

A lot of people are going to die before and right after Antichrist arises, and the Church may see it all.  Get ready.  The End is coming quickly.  Are you spiritually ready? Is your family? Are you adequately protecting your loved ones? This is the reason for this ministry, to enable you to first understand the peril facing you, and then help you develop strategies to warn and protect your loved ones . Once you have been thoroughly trained, you can also use your knowledge as a means to open the door of discussion with an unsaved person. I have been able to use it many times, and have seen people come to Jesus Christ as a result. These perilous times are also a time when we can reach many souls for Jesus Christ, making an eternal difference.

If you have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, but have been very lukewarm in your spiritual walk with Him, you need to immediately ask Him for forgiveness and for renewal. He will instantly forgive you, and fill your heart with the joy of the Holy Spirit. Then, you need to begin a daily walk of prayer and personal Bible Study.

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